Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
....vervolg:koe_lio schreef:laeka schreef:
Waar kan ik dat ergens vinden die intrinsieke waarde? Is er een link.
Inadequate though they are in telling the story, we give you Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (NYSE:BRK.A) (NYSE:BRK.B)’s book-value figures because they today serve as a rough,albeit significantly understated,tracking measure for Berkshire’s intrinsic value. In other words, the percentage change in book value in any given year is likely to be reasonably close to that year’s change in intrinsic value.
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Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Warren-B ... a-business
Audience: Hello, Mr. Buffett. I've got two short questions. One, is how do you find intrinsic value in a company?
Warren Buffett: Well intrinsic value is the number that if you were all-knowing about the future and could predict all the cash that a business would give you between now and judgement day, discounted at the proper discount rate that number is what the intrinsic value of a business is. In other words, the only reason for making an investment and laying out money now is to get more money later on, right? That's what investing is all about.
Now, when you look at a bond, so when you see a United States government bond it's very easy to tell what you're going to get back. It says it right on the bond. It says when you get the interest payments. It says when you get the principal. So, it's very easy to figure out the value of a bond. It can change tomorrow if interest rates change, but the cash flows are printed on the bond. The cash flows aren't printed on a stock certificate. That's the job of the analyst is to print out, change that stock certificate which represents an interest in the business, and change that into a bond and say this is what I think it's going to pay out in the future. When we buy some new machine for Shaw to make carpet, that's what we're thinking about obviously, and you'll learn that in business school.
But it's the same thing for a big business. If you buy Coca-Cola today, the company is selling for about $110-15 billion in the market. The question is, if you had 110 or 15 billion- you wouldn't be listening to me, but I'd be listening to you incidentally. But the question is would you lay it out today to get what the Coca-Cola Company is going to deliver to you over the next 2 or 300 years? The discount rate doesn't make much difference as you get further out. And that is a question of how much cash they're going to give you. It isn't a question of how many analysts are going to recommend it, or what the volume of the stock is, or what the chart looks like or anything, it's a question of how much cash it's going to give you.
It's true whether if you're buying a farm, it's true if you're buying an apartment house, any financial asset. Oil in the ground, you're laying out cash now to get more cash back later on. And the question is is how much are you going to get, when are you going get it, and how sure are you? And when I calculate intrinsic value of a business when we buy businesses, and whether we're buying all of a business or a little piece of a business, I always think we're buying the whole business because that's my approach to it. I look at it and I say, what will come out of this business and when?
And, what you'd really like of course is then to be able to use the money that you earned, and earn higher returns on it as you go along. I mean, Berkshire has never distributed anything to its shareholders, but its ability to distribute goes up as the value of the businesses we own increases. We can compound it internally, but the real question is, Berkshire's selling for, we'll say 105 or so billion now. What can we distribute from that- if you're going to buy the whole company for 105 billion now, can we distribute enough cash to you soon enough to make it sensible at present interest rates to lay out that cash now.
And that's what it gets down to. And if you can't answer that question, you can't buy the stock. You can gamble in the stock if you want to, or your neighbors can buy it. But if you don't answer that question, and I can't answer that for internet companies for example, and a lot of companies, there are all kinds of companies I can't answer it for. But I just stay away from those. Number two.
Audience: So you've got formulas involved in finding intrinsic values on certain companies? I mean, you got a mathematical system?
Warren Buffett: Just kind of present value, future cash, yeah.
Audience: Second short question is why haven't you written down your set of formulas or your strategies in written form so you can share it with everyone else?
Warren Buffett: Well I think I actually have written about that. If you read the annual reports over the recent years, in fact the most recent annual report I used what I've just been talking about, I used the illustration of Aesop. Because here Aesop was in 600 BC- smart man, wasn't smart enough to know it was 600 BC though. Would have taken a little foresight. But Aesop, in between tortoises and hares, and all these other things he found time to write about birds. And he said, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Now that isn't quite complete because the question is, how sure are you that there are two in the bush, and how long do you have to wait to get them out? Now, he probably knew that but he just didn't have time because he had all these other parables to write and had to get on with it. But he was halfway there in 600 BC. That's all there is to investing is, how many birds are in the bush, when are you going to get them out, and how sure are you?
Now if interest rates are 15 percent, roughly, you've got to get two birds out of the bush in five years to equal the bird in the hand. But if interest rates are 3 percent, and you can get two birds out in 20 years, it still makes sense to give up the bird in the hand, because it all gets back to discounting against an interest rate. The problem is often you don't know not only how many birds are in the bush, but in the case of the internet companies there weren't any birds in the bush. But they still take the bird that you give them if they're in the hand.
But I actually have written about this sort of thing, and stealing heavily from Aesop who wrote it some 2600 years ago, but I've been behind on my reading. Yeah?
Audience: Hello, Mr. Buffett. I've got two short questions. One, is how do you find intrinsic value in a company?
Warren Buffett: Well intrinsic value is the number that if you were all-knowing about the future and could predict all the cash that a business would give you between now and judgement day, discounted at the proper discount rate that number is what the intrinsic value of a business is. In other words, the only reason for making an investment and laying out money now is to get more money later on, right? That's what investing is all about.
Now, when you look at a bond, so when you see a United States government bond it's very easy to tell what you're going to get back. It says it right on the bond. It says when you get the interest payments. It says when you get the principal. So, it's very easy to figure out the value of a bond. It can change tomorrow if interest rates change, but the cash flows are printed on the bond. The cash flows aren't printed on a stock certificate. That's the job of the analyst is to print out, change that stock certificate which represents an interest in the business, and change that into a bond and say this is what I think it's going to pay out in the future. When we buy some new machine for Shaw to make carpet, that's what we're thinking about obviously, and you'll learn that in business school.
But it's the same thing for a big business. If you buy Coca-Cola today, the company is selling for about $110-15 billion in the market. The question is, if you had 110 or 15 billion- you wouldn't be listening to me, but I'd be listening to you incidentally. But the question is would you lay it out today to get what the Coca-Cola Company is going to deliver to you over the next 2 or 300 years? The discount rate doesn't make much difference as you get further out. And that is a question of how much cash they're going to give you. It isn't a question of how many analysts are going to recommend it, or what the volume of the stock is, or what the chart looks like or anything, it's a question of how much cash it's going to give you.
It's true whether if you're buying a farm, it's true if you're buying an apartment house, any financial asset. Oil in the ground, you're laying out cash now to get more cash back later on. And the question is is how much are you going to get, when are you going get it, and how sure are you? And when I calculate intrinsic value of a business when we buy businesses, and whether we're buying all of a business or a little piece of a business, I always think we're buying the whole business because that's my approach to it. I look at it and I say, what will come out of this business and when?
And, what you'd really like of course is then to be able to use the money that you earned, and earn higher returns on it as you go along. I mean, Berkshire has never distributed anything to its shareholders, but its ability to distribute goes up as the value of the businesses we own increases. We can compound it internally, but the real question is, Berkshire's selling for, we'll say 105 or so billion now. What can we distribute from that- if you're going to buy the whole company for 105 billion now, can we distribute enough cash to you soon enough to make it sensible at present interest rates to lay out that cash now.
And that's what it gets down to. And if you can't answer that question, you can't buy the stock. You can gamble in the stock if you want to, or your neighbors can buy it. But if you don't answer that question, and I can't answer that for internet companies for example, and a lot of companies, there are all kinds of companies I can't answer it for. But I just stay away from those. Number two.
Audience: So you've got formulas involved in finding intrinsic values on certain companies? I mean, you got a mathematical system?
Warren Buffett: Just kind of present value, future cash, yeah.
Audience: Second short question is why haven't you written down your set of formulas or your strategies in written form so you can share it with everyone else?
Warren Buffett: Well I think I actually have written about that. If you read the annual reports over the recent years, in fact the most recent annual report I used what I've just been talking about, I used the illustration of Aesop. Because here Aesop was in 600 BC- smart man, wasn't smart enough to know it was 600 BC though. Would have taken a little foresight. But Aesop, in between tortoises and hares, and all these other things he found time to write about birds. And he said, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Now that isn't quite complete because the question is, how sure are you that there are two in the bush, and how long do you have to wait to get them out? Now, he probably knew that but he just didn't have time because he had all these other parables to write and had to get on with it. But he was halfway there in 600 BC. That's all there is to investing is, how many birds are in the bush, when are you going to get them out, and how sure are you?
Now if interest rates are 15 percent, roughly, you've got to get two birds out of the bush in five years to equal the bird in the hand. But if interest rates are 3 percent, and you can get two birds out in 20 years, it still makes sense to give up the bird in the hand, because it all gets back to discounting against an interest rate. The problem is often you don't know not only how many birds are in the bush, but in the case of the internet companies there weren't any birds in the bush. But they still take the bird that you give them if they're in the hand.
But I actually have written about this sort of thing, and stealing heavily from Aesop who wrote it some 2600 years ago, but I've been behind on my reading. Yeah?
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Vergis u niet: Buffett heeft het hier over een DCF-methode, maar in realiteit gebruikt hij die niet. Buffett gebruikt zelfs geen rekenmachine om een intrinsieke waarde te bepalen.
Aandelenportefeuille netto met 1290% gestegen sinds opstart in Nov '08. YTD bruto excl dividenden: +7,4% (tem 22 nov '24)
Momenteel: 31% Rapid7, IVU, WTW; 69% cash
Momenteel: 31% Rapid7, IVU, WTW; 69% cash
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
idd, de discount formule is niet moeilijk hé, de assumpties en psychologie daarentegen...
Blij dat je terug bent GPV, lees uw posts altijd met veel plezier en interesse!
Blij dat je terug bent GPV, lees uw posts altijd met veel plezier en interesse!
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Buffett heeft 5.4 miljoen aandelen Apple bijgekocht.
Belang in Wal Mart fors afgebouwd.
Belang in Wal Mart fors afgebouwd.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Mars koopt Warren Buffett's aandeel in Wright kauwgom: $2.1 mld aan voorkeursaandelen.
Volgens Bloomberg heeft Buffett minstens $1.7 mld verdiend aan zijn investering in Wrighly in 2008.
De cashberg van Buffett - $72 mld op 30 juni -groeit dus verder aan.
Volgens Bloomberg heeft Buffett minstens $1.7 mld verdiend aan zijn investering in Wrighly in 2008.
De cashberg van Buffett - $72 mld op 30 juni -groeit dus verder aan.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Puike resultaten bij berkshire:
Cash positie bijna 85 mld.
Boekwaarde omhoog naar bijna 110,
Hogere omzet en winst.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berkshir ... 08119.html
Cash positie bijna 85 mld.
Boekwaarde omhoog naar bijna 110,
Hogere omzet en winst.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berkshir ... 08119.html
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Mooie stijging gisteren als reactie op de winstcijfers van afgelopen vrijdag.Er is nog veel potentieel voor dit goedkope aandeel.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berkshir ... 43781.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berkshir ... 43781.html
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
10% gestegen sinds de resultaten van afgelopen week; dat is niet min voor een gigant als Berkshire en er zit nog meer in het vat;er is nog altijd een aanzienlijke decote tov de I.W.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Maar als de hoogbejaarde Warren Buffett (86 jaar) of zijn compaan Charlie Munger (92 jaar) morgen doodvalt/doodvallen, zakt de koers onmiddellijk met minstens 10%. Dat voorspellen ze zelf. Gebruik even de zoekfunctie. Die discussie is hier al een paar maal gevoerd.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Toen de koers een paar jaar geleden nog $110 stond was dat toen ook al voor sommigen een reden om het aandeel te mijden maar ondertussen staan we wel 40% hoger...en bovendien mocht het zo zijn dat de koers na Buffets dood met 10% zou zakken dan zou dat alleen maar een enorme (bij)koopkans zijn,de koers kan tijdelijk dalen maar de I.W. en de caschpositie die blijven hetzelfde.pisa schreef:Maar als de hoogbejaarde Warren Buffett (86 jaar) of zijn compaan Charlie Munger (92 jaar) morgen doodvalt/doodvallen, zakt de koers onmiddellijk met minstens 10%. Dat voorspellen ze zelf. Gebruik even de zoekfunctie. Die discussie is hier al een paar maal gevoerd.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Ik raad u niet aan dit aandeel te verkopen of bij aan te kopen. Ik wilde u dit met al uw zegebulletins hier gewoon even laten weten. Ik heb BRKB overigens zelf in portefeuille.Carnaygee schreef:Toen de koers een paar jaar geleden nog $110 stond was dat toen ook al voor sommigen een reden om het aandeel te mijden maar ondertussen staan we wel 40% hoger...en bovendien mocht het zo zijn dat de koers na Buffets dood met 10% zou zakken dan zou dat alleen maar een enorme (bij)koopkans zijn,de koers kan tijdelijk dalen maar de I.W. en de caschpositie die blijven hetzelfde.pisa schreef:Maar als de hoogbejaarde Warren Buffett (86 jaar) of zijn compaan Charlie Munger (92 jaar) morgen doodvalt/doodvallen, zakt de koers onmiddellijk met minstens 10%. Dat voorspellen ze zelf. Gebruik even de zoekfunctie. Die discussie is hier al een paar maal gevoerd.
Als ze sterven zal ik wel zien of en hoe ik reageer.
Hebt u overigens de zoekfunctie gebruikt, of hebt u gewoon dadelijk gereageerd?
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Berkshire Hathaway heeft belangen genomen in verschillende Amerikaanse luchtvaartmaatschappijen. Berkshire had eind september een belang met een waarde van 800 miljoen dollar in American Airlines Group. Ook aandelen in Delta Air Lines, United Continental en Southwest Airlines.
Tegelijkertijd werd 68% van het belang in Wal-Mart verkocht.
Tegelijkertijd werd 68% van het belang in Wal-Mart verkocht.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Ik zag net dat het aandeel van Berkshire Hathaway (Class A) de $ 250.000 gepasseerd is.
De aandelen zijn dit jaar al meer dan 25% gestegen en sinds de eerste aankoop door Buffett in 1962 met 3,333,233%.
De aandelen zijn dit jaar al meer dan 25% gestegen en sinds de eerste aankoop door Buffett in 1962 met 3,333,233%.
Re: Berkshire Hathaway en Warren Buffett
Vraag mij af indien Buffett komt te overlijden wat het aandeel zal doen? Opvolgers zijn vermoedelijk al aangesteld maar het zal uiteraard hij niet meer zijn. Zo'n holding is toch ook voor een groot stuk naam en faam. Denken jullie niet dat er dan toch veel grote aandeelhouders zullen afhaken. Zal toch minstens tijdelijk een klap krijgen.
Annual return sinds 2002: 11,2% (omgerekend in EUR)